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Degree-three relations among quadratic forms: the value β₂(7)=16, and a conjectured family past n=12

Abstract

Let K be a field of characteristic zero and let q₁,…,qₘ be quadratic forms in n variables over K. In his work on uniqueness of powers-of-forms decompositions, Taveira Blomenhofer writes β₂(n) for the largest m for which some such family admits no nonzero algebraic relation of degree at most three; the only bound he names is β₂(n) ≤ C(n+1, 2), coming from linear relations, and he conjectures the lower bound β₂(n) ≥ ⌈ (n+2)(n+1)/6⌉, witnessed by the explicit family qᵢⱼₖ=(Xᵢ+Xⱼ+Xₖ)² over the index triples i ≤ j ≤ k with i+j+k ≡ 0 (mod n), offering as evidence a computer verification for n ∈ {7,…,12}. We determine β₂(n) exactly for 2 ≤ n ≤ 7. Counting the target space gives β₂(n) ≤ mmax(n):=max{m:C(m+2, 3) ≤ C(n+5, 6)} ∼ n²/120^(1/3), sharper than the stated bound by a factor tending to 2.466…; and we exhibit mmax(n) explicit squares of linear forms with one-digit integer coefficients whose binom(mmax(n)+2, 3) three-fold products are linearly independent, for n=4,5,6,7. The resulting values β₂(n)=7,9,13 for n=4,5,6 agree with what can be read off Table 1 of Friedman–Sturmfels–Wiesmann; β₂(7)=16 lies past that table, and past the 12 that the conjectured family supplies, so that family is not optimal from n=4 on. We also give what appears to be the first formal certificate for a case of the conjecture, at n=7, where 364 products of 12 quadrics are shown independent over every field of characteristic zero; and we correct a remark of the source paper, whose asserted generator degree kⁿ for the relation ideal of n+1 general k-forms in n variables has the exponent one too large — a degree count predicts kⁿ⁻¹, which is what we measure at seven pairs (n,k). All independence statements rest on exhaustive finite computations, identified where they occur, and are machine-checked in Lean 4 with no sorry. Outside the formal development we record, as labelled computations, that the conjecture also holds at n=13,14,15,16 — n=13 being the first case its source leaves open — and that β₂(n)=mmax(n) persists for n=8,…,11.

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PQ1known data2026-09-03

The source's Conjecture at n = 7: the C(14,3) = 364 degree-3 products of the 12 quadrics (Xᵢ+Xⱼ+Xₖ)² with i <= j <= k and i+j+k = 0 (mod 7) are linearly independent over every field of characteristic zero

PQ2measurement2026-09-03

The Conjecture holds at n = 13, the first case its source leaves open: the 7770 = C(37,3) degree-3 products of the 35 quadrics have rank 7770, full, inside the C(18,6) = 18564 dimensional space of degree-6 forms

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PQ3measurement2026-09-03

The Conjecture holds at n = 14: the 11480 = C(42,3) degree-3 products of the 40 quadrics have rank 11480, full

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PQ4measurement2026-09-03

The Conjecture holds at n = 15: the 17296 = C(48,3) degree-3 products of the 46 quadrics have rank 17296, full

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PQ5known data2026-09-03

beta₂(n) >= mmax(n) for n = 4, 5, 6: seven, nine and thirteen explicit squares of linear forms with one-digit integer coefficients whose C(m+2,3) degree-3 products are linearly independent over every field of characteristic zero, meeting the counting bound mmax(n) = maxm: C(m+2,3) <= C(n+5,6)

PQ6candidate2026-09-03

beta₂(7) = 16: sixteen explicit squares of linear forms in seven variables whose C(18,3) = 816 degree-3 products are linearly independent over every field of characteristic zero, meeting the counting bound mmax(7) = 16 – against the 12 the source's own family supplies

PQ7candidate2026-09-03

beta₂(n) = mmax(n) = 20, 25, 30, 35 for n = 8, 9, 10, 11, attained by squares of linear forms as well as by general quadrics

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PQ8prose2026-09-03

beta₂(n) <= mmax(n) = maxm: C(m+2,3) <= C(n+5,6) n²/120^(1/3) = n²/4.9324, a factor 2.466 (= 120^(1/3)/2; the ledger wrote 2.43 – author fix 2026-09-03) sharper than the beta₂(n) <= C(n+1,2) the source states, and 1.22 above its own family's n²/6

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PQ9routine2026-09-03

Negative controls: the generator count equals ceil((n+2)(n+1)/6) for n = 2..13 and neither neighbour at n = 7; the counting frontier mmax(n) for n = 2..16 (author fix 2026-09-03: Controls.mmaxₜable has 15 conjuncts from n = 2, the line PQ10 relies on); an explicit nonzero degree-2 relation among three squares in two variables, one step past beta₂(2) = 2; and the failure of linear independence when the a <= b <= c restriction on index triples is dropped

PQ10correction2026-09-03

CORRECTION to arXiv:2305.06860v1 Remark rem:algindep-bezout: for m = n+1 general k-forms in n variables the relation ideal is principal generated in degree kⁿ⁻¹, not the kⁿ the Remark asserts; and its stated consequence betaₖ(n) >= n+1 for all n >= 2, k >= 2 is false at (n,k) = (2,2) and (2,3), where betaₖ(2) = 2

PQ11measurement2026-09-03

The Conjecture holds at n = 16: the 23426 = C(53,3) degree-3 products of the 51 quadrics have rank 23426, full

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Fix n and work in K[X₁, …, Xₙ] over a field K of characteristic zero. For quadratic forms q₁, …, qₘ an algebraic relation of degree d is a nonzero F ∈ K[Y₁,…,Yₘ], homogeneous of degree d, with F(q₁,…,qₘ) = 0. Since every qₐ is homogeneous of degree 2, the ideal of relations is homogeneous, and multiplying a relation of degree < 3 by a variable gives one of degree 3, so
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